2009 - Should I Change the Oil?
- Thread starter Dave
- Start date
Dave - If they are recommending 3,000 mile drain pain intervals, they are in violation of the law.
The oil companies products they are installing are recommending 5,000 mile intervals. I wonder how that quick lube explains that one? :blink:
Most of the, "synthetic", oils on the market today aren't truly synthetic oils in the traditional sense of the term, as they are refined from petroleum crude oils that come from the ground.
The oil companies products they are installing are recommending 5,000 mile intervals. I wonder how that quick lube explains that one? :blink:
Most of the, "synthetic", oils on the market today aren't truly synthetic oils in the traditional sense of the term, as they are refined from petroleum crude oils that come from the ground.
Last edited:
I have been using amsoil in my 2009 corolla since day one. I bought the car new. I typically change the oil, and filter every 10,000-12,000. I know amsoil is an extended drain interval oil. Iam just not comfortable leaving it in longer than that. I use 5w/30 with a wix filter. I couldn't be happier with it. The cost of the oil, and filter is about 50 bucks a change. I don't trust anybody else to work on my cars. I have been doing it myself the whole time........
2009 Toyota Corolla Oil Change
The below video is one of the better, more accurate oil change videos I've seen on YouTube. He's wearing gloves to protect his hands from cancer-causing used oil, (obviously a smart thing to do), he's removing the oil fill cap and pulling the dipstick out so the atmospheric pressure is equalized and the oil drains faster.
It's worth noting that before performing an oil change, the engine should be warmed up for at least 5 minutes so the engine oil is hot so it will flow out of the engine faster and any dirt in the engine is suspended with the oil and will be removed when the oil is drained.
I'd recommend not re-installing the oil drain pan plug though until the old oil filter is removed and all the oil has drained out. I have seen many times when removing the old oil filter where additional oil will suddenly flow out of the oil pan drain hole. Allow at least an hour for the oil to completely stop dripping out of the oil pan drain hole. Why leave dirty oil in your engine? If we're going to change the oil, might as well do it right. :thumbsup::yes:
Also, the oil being used in this video is entirely incorrect. Toyota engineers recommend a 0W-20 synthetic motor oil for that engine. Using a thicker viscosity than what is recommended will increase engine wear and engine temperatures. Slower flowing oil dissipates heat slower, thus increasing engine temperatures and an engine's seals and gaskets don't like that, as they will dry out from the high heat, crack and presto, we have an oil leak! A thicker oil will also reduce lubrication, increase engine wear, reduce power, reduce performance, make for harder cold winter engine starts, reduce fuel economy and increase emissions. Using the correct type and viscosity of oil is very important. Thicker is not better.
The old-school petroleum oil he is using in the video has a lot of shortcomings and drawbacks compared to the synthetic oil that is supposed to be used in that engine.
Below is a link to my Online Product Application Guide where you can look up the recommended oil viscosity for your car. It will also tell you how many quarts of oil is needed, oil filter part numbers, transmission fluid types and quantities, torque specs, etc. It's very handy and is free for you to use. Enjoy. :thumbsup: If you have any questions, feel free to ask me and it will be my pleasure to help you out.
http://www.amsoil.com/mygarage/vehiclelookup.aspx?i=1&zo=349698
The below video is one of the better, more accurate oil change videos I've seen on YouTube. He's wearing gloves to protect his hands from cancer-causing used oil, (obviously a smart thing to do), he's removing the oil fill cap and pulling the dipstick out so the atmospheric pressure is equalized and the oil drains faster.
It's worth noting that before performing an oil change, the engine should be warmed up for at least 5 minutes so the engine oil is hot so it will flow out of the engine faster and any dirt in the engine is suspended with the oil and will be removed when the oil is drained.
I'd recommend not re-installing the oil drain pan plug though until the old oil filter is removed and all the oil has drained out. I have seen many times when removing the old oil filter where additional oil will suddenly flow out of the oil pan drain hole. Allow at least an hour for the oil to completely stop dripping out of the oil pan drain hole. Why leave dirty oil in your engine? If we're going to change the oil, might as well do it right. :thumbsup::yes:
Also, the oil being used in this video is entirely incorrect. Toyota engineers recommend a 0W-20 synthetic motor oil for that engine. Using a thicker viscosity than what is recommended will increase engine wear and engine temperatures. Slower flowing oil dissipates heat slower, thus increasing engine temperatures and an engine's seals and gaskets don't like that, as they will dry out from the high heat, crack and presto, we have an oil leak! A thicker oil will also reduce lubrication, increase engine wear, reduce power, reduce performance, make for harder cold winter engine starts, reduce fuel economy and increase emissions. Using the correct type and viscosity of oil is very important. Thicker is not better.
The old-school petroleum oil he is using in the video has a lot of shortcomings and drawbacks compared to the synthetic oil that is supposed to be used in that engine.
Below is a link to my Online Product Application Guide where you can look up the recommended oil viscosity for your car. It will also tell you how many quarts of oil is needed, oil filter part numbers, transmission fluid types and quantities, torque specs, etc. It's very handy and is free for you to use. Enjoy. :thumbsup: If you have any questions, feel free to ask me and it will be my pleasure to help you out.
http://www.amsoil.com/mygarage/vehiclelookup.aspx?i=1&zo=349698
Last edited by a moderator:
No matter what video, no matter who did it, some one will always find something wrong, rather pick on things and how they are done right or wrong.
Changing oil is not hard at all. that will be all I will have to say. Some can not do the job, for reasons. and some just do not find it to be money saved. But what you will find is the sens of accomplishment.
oops here is that E for sense
Changing oil is not hard at all. that will be all I will have to say. Some can not do the job, for reasons. and some just do not find it to be money saved. But what you will find is the sens of accomplishment.
oops here is that E for sense
fishy - The gentleman in the video is using the incorrect oil, which is a very important matter. It's not picking at all. Indeed, I paid him compliments. I didn't want anyone to watch this video and use the incorrect oil for their engine, causing engine damage and that is why I pointed that out, not because I was picking on things.
No. I pull the drain plug, and move the pan so it catches it. I loosen up the oil filter, and the pan catches the filters oil, and the pan oil at the same time. Re install the plug, install the new filter. And put the car back down. Add the new oil check for no leaks, and it being the correct level. Maybe 30 mins is all it takes.
Scott. the Person in the video did a mighty fine job indeed, but he did not change the crush washer, nor did he change the O-ring, two very important steps he missed.
As for Oil. What would a person use for a turbo today? I used to use 20 w50 and 1500 mil change out no more!
I will not loosen my cap and take off for the reasoning of Dust, debrea, a leaf, a million to one shot going in.
As for Oil. What would a person use for a turbo today? I used to use 20 w50 and 1500 mil change out no more!
I will not loosen my cap and take off for the reasoning of Dust, debrea, a leaf, a million to one shot going in.
Fishy, not removing the oil fill cap and thereby not allowing the atmospheric pressure inside the engine to equalize is not going to allow the oil to flow out as quickly or as thoroughly, leaving some dirty oil in the engine. This will definitely cause more damage than the millions to one odds of a leaf, etc., blowing into the oil fill hole. I mean, that could happen when topping off the engine oil level too as the oil fill cap has to be removed. I sure hope you top off the engine oil and don't let it run low for fear of a leaf blowing into the oil fill hole? :blink:
Take a sealed gallon of milk and punch a hole into the bottom. The milk will leak out, but not very quickly. Now take the top off that gallon of milk and the milk will come gushing out the hole in the bottom much, much faster as the atmospheric pressure has been equalized. The same principle applies when performing an oil change; removing the oil fill cap, pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pain drain plug and oil filter.
When performing an oil change, removing the oil fill cap and pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pan drain plug is standard operating procedure for any competent auto center. In other words, this is the way the pro's do it.:thumbsup:
As for the o-ring, he addressed that, stating the oil drain plug for his car has a permanent gasket attached to the oil drain plug.
However, he did neglect to mention about eating his Wheaties for breakfast!
Take a sealed gallon of milk and punch a hole into the bottom. The milk will leak out, but not very quickly. Now take the top off that gallon of milk and the milk will come gushing out the hole in the bottom much, much faster as the atmospheric pressure has been equalized. The same principle applies when performing an oil change; removing the oil fill cap, pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pain drain plug and oil filter.
When performing an oil change, removing the oil fill cap and pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pan drain plug is standard operating procedure for any competent auto center. In other words, this is the way the pro's do it.:thumbsup:
As for the o-ring, he addressed that, stating the oil drain plug for his car has a permanent gasket attached to the oil drain plug.
However, he did neglect to mention about eating his Wheaties for breakfast!
Last edited:
I loosen the cap but I don't completely remove it, but I grew up in the desert so it was out of habit (sand in the engine anyone?). Loosening the cap is enough to allow for rapid oil draining.
Also, and it is a little OCD ... but my car takes 4.4 quarts and I buy 5, so that extra 0.6 quarts I won't need, I pour that in the engine with the drain plug still out to make sure the last of the gunk gets washed out and drained, then put the plug in, add the filter, and fill up.
Also, and it is a little OCD ... but my car takes 4.4 quarts and I buy 5, so that extra 0.6 quarts I won't need, I pour that in the engine with the drain plug still out to make sure the last of the gunk gets washed out and drained, then put the plug in, add the filter, and fill up.
Scott You will learn one day the crush washer is never permanent.
For the oil look into your air filter not oil filter. follow the line, let me know where it leads to? Need a Picture.
thanks to Don agreeing with how he removes his cap.
Again my bad posted my apologies . with a big smile of my embarrasement of iphone thanks for if understandin
For the oil look into your air filter not oil filter. follow the line, let me know where it leads to? Need a Picture.
thanks to Don agreeing with how he removes his cap.
Again my bad posted my apologies . with a big smile of my embarrasement of iphone thanks for if understandin
Last edited:
fishy - I will learn one day? I've been professionally employed in the automotive industry for close to 30 years running multimillion dollar auto centers, thank you. :thumbsup:
Again, the gentleman in the video stated his oil drain plug had a permanent gasket and there are such oil drain plugs on the market. Maybe you haven't seen one yet.
Huh?
Yeah, that's a fine idea in a desert sandstorm, but in an enclosed area it's not necessary at all and the benefit of draining out more dirty oil far outweighs the miniscule risk of a leaf blowing into the oil fill hole.
Again, the gentleman in the video stated his oil drain plug had a permanent gasket and there are such oil drain plugs on the market. Maybe you haven't seen one yet.
Huh?
Yeah, that's a fine idea in a desert sandstorm, but in an enclosed area it's not necessary at all and the benefit of draining out more dirty oil far outweighs the miniscule risk of a leaf blowing into the oil fill hole.
Last edited:
With all due respect to you stating that you have worked in an automotive profession all your years........... Everybody knows that when draining the radiator at the bottom petcock with the radiator cap still tight that coolant comes out at a controlled flow, and when the radiator cap is loosened and removed it gushes out........ The oil fill cap is not like a radiator cap. Its not pressurized. I have tried changing the oil with the cap on, or with the cap off it doesn't speed up, or slow down ether way........ You get just as much oil out with cap on, as you do with cap off. As far as the leafs, and dirt falling in........... It has just as much likely hood of it happening when adding oil after changing as it does when leaving off when draining..... I have been a member of a ton of forums over the years. I have learned that on some forums any topic oil related stirs up a ton of people bickering, and fighting. They all believe they use the best oil. They all believe they know how to change it right, have the best technique Ect...... At the end of the day you need to decide what you want to do about how you do it. Non of the forum members unless local and willing will be there helping you.
Fishy, not removing the oil fill cap and thereby not allowing the atmospheric pressure inside the engine to equalize is not going to allow the oil to flow out as quickly or as thoroughly, leaving some dirty oil in the engine. This will definitely cause more damage than the millions to one odds of a leaf, etc., blowing into the oil fill hole. I mean, that could happen when topping off the engine oil level too as the oil fill cap has to be removed. I sure hope you top off the engine oil and don't let it run low for fear of a leaf blowing into the oil fill hole? :blink:
Take a sealed gallon of milk and punch a hole into the bottom. The milk will leak out, but not very quickly. Now take the top off that gallon of milk and the milk will come gushing out the hole in the bottom much, much faster as the atmospheric pressure has been equalized. The same principle applies when performing an oil change; removing the oil fill cap, pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pain drain plug and oil filter.
When performing an oil change, removing the oil fill cap and pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pan drain plug is standard operating procedure for any competent auto center. In other words, this is the way the pro's do it.:thumbsup:
As for the o-ring, he addressed that, stating the oil drain plug for his car has a permanent gasket attached to the oil drain plug.
However, he did neglect to mention about eating his Wheaties for breakfast!
Take a sealed gallon of milk and punch a hole into the bottom. The milk will leak out, but not very quickly. Now take the top off that gallon of milk and the milk will come gushing out the hole in the bottom much, much faster as the atmospheric pressure has been equalized. The same principle applies when performing an oil change; removing the oil fill cap, pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pain drain plug and oil filter.
When performing an oil change, removing the oil fill cap and pulling the dipstick before removing the oil pan drain plug is standard operating procedure for any competent auto center. In other words, this is the way the pro's do it.:thumbsup:
As for the o-ring, he addressed that, stating the oil drain plug for his car has a permanent gasket attached to the oil drain plug.
However, he did neglect to mention about eating his Wheaties for breakfast!
Glad we can have this type of discussion. I like to throw this into the ball field, and For those who can not get under the car, we will have to respect that persons decisions;
One way that requires, a closed system to get oil out will be a pump. Done on boats, and now been on cars for a number of years. You simply and only use the Dipstick area. So saying the laws of physics, do apply to oil caps. May not be true. in a way, am I correct, or not?
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Mityvac-7201-Fluid-Evacuator-Plus/dp/B0002SR7TC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1410205376&sr=8-4&keywords=oil+vacuum+pump[/ame]
lets go back about 20 years , dam that long I been changing the boats oil that way, Lol.
1. it is a lot safer, and cleaner because Oil has less a chance to hit the floor, and 1 ounce per gallon of fresh water contaminated?
2. Oil filter, can be relocated.
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/performanceparts/Toyota/Corolla/Cooling/Oil_Filter_Relocation_Kits
So this makes it interesting in a way, does it not???
The main question of this topic, should I change the oil?, and that I will say;
a feeling of accomplishment, doing something y ourself. then just bringing it in, Either way you look at it. Get the right person to do the job, that is good enough for me, both are happy.
One way that requires, a closed system to get oil out will be a pump. Done on boats, and now been on cars for a number of years. You simply and only use the Dipstick area. So saying the laws of physics, do apply to oil caps. May not be true. in a way, am I correct, or not?
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Mityvac-7201-Fluid-Evacuator-Plus/dp/B0002SR7TC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1410205376&sr=8-4&keywords=oil+vacuum+pump[/ame]
lets go back about 20 years , dam that long I been changing the boats oil that way, Lol.
1. it is a lot safer, and cleaner because Oil has less a chance to hit the floor, and 1 ounce per gallon of fresh water contaminated?
2. Oil filter, can be relocated.
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/performanceparts/Toyota/Corolla/Cooling/Oil_Filter_Relocation_Kits
So this makes it interesting in a way, does it not???
The main question of this topic, should I change the oil?, and that I will say;
a feeling of accomplishment, doing something y ourself. then just bringing it in, Either way you look at it. Get the right person to do the job, that is good enough for me, both are happy.
Last edited:
Changing the oil in that method is not as good for the engine. When you drain it from the bottom, almost everything comes out. The oil on top forces the particles on the bottom of the pan out of the engine. When you suck it out you tend to leave more particulates in the pan.
Independent AMSOIL Dealer, Contact me to get the world's best oil for prices lower than brands like Mobil1 and Royal Purple!
GoldMedalSyntheticOils.com
Independent AMSOIL Dealer, Contact me to get the world's best oil for prices lower than brands like Mobil1 and Royal Purple!
GoldMedalSyntheticOils.com
As far as the oil caps go, on some engines it is more noticable. Breaking the seal on the cap does allow the air pressure to push on the oil more efficently than keeping it sealed. However, on some engines it is almost not noticable. On my 94 jeep grand cherokee 5.2L v8, you couldn't tell the difference. On my corolla I definitely can.
Independent AMSOIL Dealer, Contact me to get the world's best oil for prices lower than brands like Mobil1 and Royal Purple!
GoldMedalSyntheticOils.com
Independent AMSOIL Dealer, Contact me to get the world's best oil for prices lower than brands like Mobil1 and Royal Purple!
GoldMedalSyntheticOils.com
Many people use that method for the exact reasons you listed. Whether it is laziness, physical impairments, or a damaged plug. However, I always recommend using the drain plug. There is a reason manufacturers install a drain plug.
Independent AMSOIL Dealer, Contact me to get the world's best oil for prices lower than brands like Mobil1 and Royal Purple!
GoldMedalSyntheticOils.com
Independent AMSOIL Dealer, Contact me to get the world's best oil for prices lower than brands like Mobil1 and Royal Purple!
GoldMedalSyntheticOils.com
Cracking it loose speeds it up for me (my garage is filled with too much to park a car in it so all of my auto work is done outside).
Scott ... heh ... funny you mention a sandstorm. You haven't experience joy until you've change your friend's starter in the middle of one (insert heavy sarcasm here).
"Okay, new starter is ready to go ... *WOOSH!*"
"Okay ... sand is off the mating assembly, sand is out of the bellhousing, and now ... the new starter is ready to ... *WHOOSH!*"
Scott ... heh ... funny you mention a sandstorm. You haven't experience joy until you've change your friend's starter in the middle of one (insert heavy sarcasm here).
"Okay, new starter is ready to go ... *WOOSH!*"
"Okay ... sand is off the mating assembly, sand is out of the bellhousing, and now ... the new starter is ready to ... *WHOOSH!*"
DK I'll bet that sucked! I generally try to avoid mud like the plague, just too hard to clean and it gets into everything!
Thankfully I doubt my Corolla will ever see anything less paved than a gravel parking lot. Although a month ago I was out with a friend in my Corolla when there was a problem at my work I needed to tend to. It's a long story but I needed to drive/park on a portion of a roadway which was in the process of being widened and hadn't been paved yet. As I pulled (carefully) into the dirt my friend (who is not a huge fan of my Corolla) looked over at me and said 'Told you we should have taken your truck'.
I keep joking that I'm going to lift it and throw a set of all-terrains on it, just so it fits in better with the rest of my 'fleet' LOL
Kevin
Thankfully I doubt my Corolla will ever see anything less paved than a gravel parking lot. Although a month ago I was out with a friend in my Corolla when there was a problem at my work I needed to tend to. It's a long story but I needed to drive/park on a portion of a roadway which was in the process of being widened and hadn't been paved yet. As I pulled (carefully) into the dirt my friend (who is not a huge fan of my Corolla) looked over at me and said 'Told you we should have taken your truck'.
I keep joking that I'm going to lift it and throw a set of all-terrains on it, just so it fits in better with the rest of my 'fleet' LOL
Kevin
I have a rough time *reading* the *dipsticks* especially after an oil change. I wish it were a nice defined *line* on both sides of the dipstick what the level is at. I like the oil level *window* the some motorcycles have. I know I should just put in what the manual states and I do but I Still like to be able to *read* the *stick*!