Grinding Noise on Start and No Traction

#1
I'm a new (to me) 2010 Toyota Corolla owner. It's my first Toyota and I have found answers to most of my questions on this forum, but have 2 that have me stumped.

Now that it is cold < 32 degrees, when i first start my car when it's cold I hear a loud grinding noise for a second, then everything operates normally. It only happens during the first start of the day and only when it's cold. Is this normal, or something I need to get looked at?

Secondly, this car handles very poorly in the rain and now the snow. It has a lot of trouble getting traction. I *think* it's because of the factory tires that are on the car. Will this go away with better tires?

Thank you for any assistance / recommendations.
 
#2
Welcome to the Corolla Forum! :)

Regarding your first question, I am going to take an educated guess that the engine is on a diet of petroleum motor oil, correct?

Regarding your second question, in general original equipment tires don't tend to be very good. The vehicle manufacturer only cares about two things regarding tires; A. They ride softly and quietly so when the prospective customer takes the car for a test drive they are pleased with how quiet the car is and how well it rides. B. That the tires are low cost. That's it. Anything more than that such as snow and rain traction, tread life, etc., they could care less about. That's the consumers problem is the way they look at it.

So yes, a good set of tires can make a substantial, if not massive improvement in the way a car handles, rides, snow/ice traction, rain performance, fuel economy, etc.

What brand, model and size tires are currently on your Corolla?

-- B.F. Goodrich T/A Certified Tire Specialist
 
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#3
Here is a website that will provide you with sound winter driving tips and preparation for diving on snowy, icy roads -

Ice Road Safety -


http://icyroadsafety.com/

Every year, ice and snow on roadways kills more people than all other forms of severe weather combined.

Below are several video's that show what can happen to motorists who's vehicles are not equipped with winter tires, or at least very good all-season tires and/or are driving way too fast. Even with four wheel drive, when the brakes are applied the vehicle will still slide and skid, so please when it snows slow way down.


HD Extreme Icy Road Crash Footage -


#9 2013 North America) Car Crash Compilation Winter #3



#2 2013 North America) Car Crash Compilation Winter #2


"But winter tires are expensive!"...."Really? How much is your life worth? How much is your car worth?"


-- B.F. Goodrich T/A Certified Tire Specialist
 
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#4
I have been in the tire business for many years and attempting to drive on snowy, icy roads with just summer tires is a prescription for disaster, especially for someone that has never driven in snowy, icy conditions before. If you actually attempt this, make sure your have collision insurance on you car and your life insurance policy is up to date. I have driven on snowy roads all my life and I would never even attempt to drive a vehicle that is equipped with merely summer tires in snowy conditions. Your life and the lives of everyone else on the road with you is at stake here. Please heed this advice.

With run of the mill, cheap all-season tires, their tread compound can freeze, becoming very hard and not following the contours of the road very well anymore. The result is traction goes right out the window. With summer tires, this is even worse. Better quality winter tires or all season tires with a high silica rubber compound, (or ice compound), don't freeze when the temperature drops below 32 deg. F. so the snow traction they provide is much, much better. All season tires with this special compound also perform much better in the rain making the tire stick to the road better. So again, a tire like this is a wise investment in protecting your life, saving your vehicle from thousands of dollars in body damage and being able to avoid funeral costs. Even in regions where snow is not an issue, using all season tires is a very wise idea as they provide superior traction on rain soaked roads when you have to stop suddenly.

See the video's below to find out just how terrible summer tires are in the snow. Watch all these video's so you can get a good idea what you are up against when it snows. Driving on snowy, icy roads is no joke and it can be very dangerous. Whatever kind of vehicle you drive, whatever kind of tires you use, the best thing to do is to drive slowly. If when you gently apply the brakes you slide more than two feet, then you're driving too fast. Driving in snowy conditions, you must do everything much more slowly including steering, accelerating and braking in order to maintain control of the vehicle. It is not uncommon to drive a top speed of 20 mph or even less, in slippery, snowy conditions.

If a set of four winter tires saves you from just one hit with a guardrail, (or worse), they have paid for themselves many times over. Another factor to consider is the savings that winter tires provide in unnecessary tire replacement costs. With a set of winter tires to use during the winter and a set of good all season tires to use in the spring, summer and fall, your tires are going to last twice as long in time as their wear rate in time has been reduced by 50%, which means you wont have to replace tires anywhere near as soon as you did before. A set of four winter tires is a very wise idea.

Tire Rack Tire Test - Winter/Snow vs. All-Season vs. Summer Tires -


Winter Tyres v Summer Tyres: the Truth! - Auto Express -


Sailun Tires - Winter vs All-Season Tires -


Winter Tires vs. Summer Tires in The Snow -




Don't take snowy, icy roads lightly. Heeding this advice could save your life and the lives of others too.

I hope this has been of help.

-- B.F. Goodrich T/A Certified Tire Specialist
 
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#5
Please forgive me - I don't get the diet oil joke.

My car has Goodyear Eagle LS II tires.

I appreciate the advice y'all have given me on winter driving. I have had 2 Caravans, a Saturn LW200 wagon and a Saturn Aura since I moved to the snow belt. I have driven the Caravan and Aura with nearly bald tires and they did not slip and slide nearly as bad as the Corolla does.
 
#6
It wasn't a joke. :)

Does the engine in your Corolla currently have regular petroleum oil, or a synthetic oil? What brand and viscosity, i.e. 5W-30, etc.
 
#8
Deval, how does the drive-belt look? Have somebody start the car while you look at it. It is hard to tell without being able to be around it (video can't replicate the direction of the sound) but that could be the problem.

My girlfriend has a 2010 that does that every once in a while. I have yet to find out what is causing it, as it doesn't do it often enough for me to hear it from under the hood.
 
#11
Yeah, and a search has shown others. If it is in warranty ask them to look at the TSB and don't leave until they service it.
 
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#12
Here is a website that will provide you with sound winter driving tips and preparation for diving on snowy, icy roads -

Ice Road Safety -


http://icyroadsafety.com/

Every year, ice and snow on roadways kills more people than all other forms of severe weather combined.

Below are several video's that show what can happen to motorists who's vehicles are not equipped with winter tires, or at least very good all-season tires and/or are driving way too fast. Even with four wheel drive, when the brakes are applied the vehicle will still slide and skid, so please when it snows slow way down.


HD Extreme Icy Road Crash Footage -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDsclaXxy6c

#9 2013 North America) Car Crash Compilation Winter #3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2S5l7A7w1s

#2 2013 North America) Car Crash Compilation Winter #2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3nQUshdP_E

"But winter tires are expensive!"...."Really? How much is your life worth? How much is your car worth?"


-- B.F. Goodrich T/A Certified Tire Specialist
Over half those people hit their brakes...

Never EVER hit your brakes in a traction loss event. Let off the throttle and use smooth corrections to get the car back in control, then reduce your speed.

I've driven an '82 Mustang GT and '96 Mustang GT in snow without chains and without snow tires. Once in each car it has started to fishtail, and letting off the throttle and correcting the steering got me back in control without leaving my lane. Hitting the brakes is the absolute worst you can do, even with ABS.
 
#14
Wow I hear that grinding noise once in a while on my 2010 Corolla LE too. It only happens in the morning. If there's a service bulletin on it will (Toyota) cover it even it's out of warranty? Car is regularly maintained at the same Toyota dealership we bought the car from.
 
#19
I was fortunate and had paid for an extended warranty - 5 years / 125000 miles. I left my car at the dealership for 8 days, trying to get them to find the noise. This was quite challenging because I it only made the noise on cold, wet days. On the 8th day, they found it - and ended up replacing the starter.

As far as tires go, I broke down and bought a set of Arizonians from Discount Tire - a good all season radial from Discount Tire. So far, the ride is a lot smoother and the car handles better than the OEM tires. I shouldn't complain too much though - the OEM tires did last 62,000 miles - though they would not go much longer.
 
#20
They replaced the starter under an extended warranty and not the regular warranty? If so, you are extremely lucky as extended warranties don't cover normal wear and tear items, which a starter is.

With the new tires, be sure to have a four wheel alignment done on your vehicle as quickly as possible, before an uneven wear pattern sets in and shortens the life of the tires. A vehicle that is properly aligned will not only extend tire life, (saving money of course), but also provide for maximum fuel economy and better, safer handling.
 
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#21
They replaced the starter under an extended warranty and not the regular warranty? If so, you are extremely lucky as extended warranties don't cover normal wear and tear items, which a starter is...
The Toyota Extended Warranty, if you get Platinum, ain't no joke. It even covers the alternator. Yeah, extended warranties are hardly needed (and never, ever go 3rd party extended warranties, they are jokes), but for the price and for what it covers, I was convinced into getting it, especially considering that the nav system is so expensive that if it craps out on me after 3 years, I'm covered, otherwise I'd be SOL.
 
#22
I was fortunate and had paid for an extended warranty - 5 years / 125000 miles. I left my car at the dealership for 8 days, trying to get them to find the noise. This was quite challenging because I it only made the noise on cold, wet days. On the 8th day, they found it - and ended up replacing the starter.
Amidst Toyota recall news today, found this stated from a reuters column
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/09/us-toyota-motor-recall-idUSBREA380AR20140409

The other recalls are for faulty steering column brackets, windshield wiper motors and engine starters.
wonder if this grinding noise is part of the faulty engine starter??

As far as tires go, I broke down and bought a set of Arizonians from Discount Tire - a good all season radial from Discount Tire. So far, the ride is a lot smoother and the car handles better than the OEM tires. I shouldn't complain too much though - the OEM tires did last 62,000 miles - though they would not go much longer.
OEM tires on my Corolla LE 2010 is Continental. I had mine replaced with the same brand/model when I reached 75K miles. It's supposedly made to last up to 80K miles. :thumbsup:
 
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